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deelaundryHELLO, ANONYMOUS! I am happy with criticism but would prefer dialogue, so if you'd identify yourself that'd be great! (PS. Don't read "Leave in Quiet" because you really won't like that one.)
This doesn't work one bit, you really don't seem to have a clue on how BDSM relationships work in RL or this AU. The point of Cameron in aris_writing's AU is that Cameron is a sub pretending to be a dom & House is the dom-est dom around. No way would House ever behave like this or Cameron for that matter, because she's ALWAYS subed to him. Even if you're not using that AU but a straight BDSM, House can't defend any claim against Wilson if he's uncollared without Wilson's public acknowledgement, which is missing here - Wilson must have given Cameron consent for her actions - she can't touch without a sub's consent, and there's no way he would have if House had a prior claim. And there's no way House would have made a claim against Cameron unless he were authorized to do so - no dom would ever behave like that, least of all someone with the kind of self-control & lack of fear House has. To suggest House would be afraid of Cameron is completely ludicrous.
Do you actually write anything original? It seems that the last half dozen things you've written have all been derivative off of other people's work.
And, now that you point it out, almost everything I've written has been derivative, seeing as how it's fanfic. What do you think I should write instead?
This doesn't work one bit, you really don't seem to have a clue on how BDSM relationships work in RL or this AU. The point of Cameron in aris_writing's AU is that Cameron is a sub pretending to be a dom & House is the dom-est dom around. No way would House ever behave like this or Cameron for that matter, because she's ALWAYS subed to him. Even if you're not using that AU but a straight BDSM, House can't defend any claim against Wilson if he's uncollared without Wilson's public acknowledgement, which is missing here - Wilson must have given Cameron consent for her actions - she can't touch without a sub's consent, and there's no way he would have if House had a prior claim. And there's no way House would have made a claim against Cameron unless he were authorized to do so - no dom would ever behave like that, least of all someone with the kind of self-control & lack of fear House has. To suggest House would be afraid of Cameron is completely ludicrous.
Do you actually write anything original? It seems that the last half dozen things you've written have all been derivative off of other people's work.
Some points to kick us off:
- I don't claim to know how BDSM relationships work in real life - only what I've gleaned from the Internet. I make absolutely no claim that this fic, or any other of mine, represents real-life BDSM relationships.
- I've read Aris' fics and the ones she linked back to; that's my knowledge of how the AU works.
- Also, I asked Aris' permission before I posted this fic anywhere, and she granted it.
- I totally disagree with you on the point of Cameron in Aris' fics. To me, the point of Cameron is that she is a top who is completely confused by her sub-like reaction to House. She tries subbing to others but can't stand it, so I heartily disagree that she is a "sub pretending to be a dom."
- Cameron has never subed to House in Aris' fics. Never. She's only imagined doing so.
- House behaves the way that he does in my fic because he is trying to get Cameron away from Wilson without revealing that he and Wilson have a relationship. If you'll recall in the last of Aris' fics, House had told Wilson he'd sleep with him only if Wilson lied about it. House in the AU does not want a conventional dom/sub relationship; as you said, he's the dom-est of the dom, and he's told Wilson he doesn't want Wilson doing any of those sub-y things. I hypothesize (and this is my interpretation) that House secretly wants such a relationship with Wilson but is not willing to admit it. Also, if he were to collar Wilson, it would compromise their working relationship, wouldn't it? Wilson would have to do what House said, instead of being a foil and relative equal for him at the hospital. Wilson has already complained that he gets less respect professionally because he's a sub - if he was collared to House, wouldn't people defer to House instead of him?
- As to why Wilson would give Cameron consent for her actions - because House told him he had to hide his relationship with House. (And maybe to make House jealous.)
- House is not afraid of Cameron in general, but he's afraid of the secret relationship getting out... and he doesn't want Wilson to know how he truly feels.
Do you actually write anything original? It seems that the last half dozen things you've written have all been derivative off of other people's work.
Well, the last half dozen things I wrote were sections of a fic that crosses over withsimple__man's Churchverse, so yes, I suppose you could say those all were derivative.
- I don't claim to know how BDSM relationships work in real life - only what I've gleaned from the Internet. I make absolutely no claim that this fic, or any other of mine, represents real-life BDSM relationships.
- I've read Aris' fics and the ones she linked back to; that's my knowledge of how the AU works.
- Also, I asked Aris' permission before I posted this fic anywhere, and she granted it.
- I totally disagree with you on the point of Cameron in Aris' fics. To me, the point of Cameron is that she is a top who is completely confused by her sub-like reaction to House. She tries subbing to others but can't stand it, so I heartily disagree that she is a "sub pretending to be a dom."
- Cameron has never subed to House in Aris' fics. Never. She's only imagined doing so.
- House behaves the way that he does in my fic because he is trying to get Cameron away from Wilson without revealing that he and Wilson have a relationship. If you'll recall in the last of Aris' fics, House had told Wilson he'd sleep with him only if Wilson lied about it. House in the AU does not want a conventional dom/sub relationship; as you said, he's the dom-est of the dom, and he's told Wilson he doesn't want Wilson doing any of those sub-y things. I hypothesize (and this is my interpretation) that House secretly wants such a relationship with Wilson but is not willing to admit it. Also, if he were to collar Wilson, it would compromise their working relationship, wouldn't it? Wilson would have to do what House said, instead of being a foil and relative equal for him at the hospital. Wilson has already complained that he gets less respect professionally because he's a sub - if he was collared to House, wouldn't people defer to House instead of him?
- As to why Wilson would give Cameron consent for her actions - because House told him he had to hide his relationship with House. (And maybe to make House jealous.)
- House is not afraid of Cameron in general, but he's afraid of the secret relationship getting out... and he doesn't want Wilson to know how he truly feels.
Do you actually write anything original? It seems that the last half dozen things you've written have all been derivative off of other people's work.
Well, the last half dozen things I wrote were sections of a fic that crosses over with
simple__man's Churchverse, so yes, I suppose you could say those all were derivative.And, now that you point it out, almost everything I've written has been derivative, seeing as how it's fanfic. What do you think I should write instead?
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Date: 2007-07-02 03:12 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-07-02 03:15 am (UTC)Interpret Cameron however the fuck you please. The writers for House do.
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Date: 2007-07-02 03:57 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-07-02 03:32 am (UTC)I MEAN REALLY
AND TV ADAPTATIONS OF CLASSIC LITERATURE AS WELL
FROM NOW ON ONLY "WHAT I HAD FOR BREAKFAST THIS MORNING" FICS WILL BE DEEMED ORIGINAL, AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE HAD THE SAME THING
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Date: 2007-07-02 03:20 am (UTC)All I really have to say about it -- and I do hope your Anonymous is reading -- is that my own policy is as follows:
If I'm not brave enough to sign my name to my words, I have no business posting them.
To post disparaging remarks under the mask of anonymity is, in my opinion, a mark of cowardice.
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Date: 2007-07-02 04:11 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-07-02 03:30 am (UTC)Even professional writers do "shared universe" stories, or "stories based in the world created by [other writer]" books. It doesn't mean the stuff you write isn't original.
Methinks yon anonymous "critic" is jealous of your writing.
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Date: 2007-07-02 04:14 am (UTC)PS. Pretty picture!
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Date: 2007-07-02 03:36 am (UTC)What the hell is she on about? There's a WHOLE variety of 'correct' ways to run a BDSM relationship. In fact, the whole point is that it's NEGOTIATED between the parties - which technically means there are infinite ways it could be conducted.
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Date: 2007-07-02 04:21 am (UTC)I edited the top of my post to remind Anonymous not to read "Leave in Quiet" because I REALLY smashed "typical" BDSM principles (as I understand them) in that one.
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Date: 2007-07-02 04:20 am (UTC)You should post this on TBD. The reactions would be amusing.
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Date: 2007-07-02 04:32 am (UTC)Love your icon!
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Date: 2007-07-02 05:28 am (UTC)Anyway, I find it odd to say that your representation of BDSM relationships is inaccurate when the person clearly doesn't seem bothered by the fact that the characters probably aren't tying each other up and having gay sex on the show. Wouldn't that be a far more glaring oversight? Oh wait, that's right! This is fanfic which is always going to be inherently AU to a degree, is about fictional people in fictional relationships doing fictional things.
Or, to summarize: Does this person understand that the fic was not entitled 'A Detailed Do-It-Yourself Guide to BDSM'? Bitch, don't you be messing with mah wife! *puts up dukes*
~Djinn
[who is far more confrontational when people get pompous, yes I mean you, anonymous person]
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Date: 2007-07-03 12:55 am (UTC)PS. I now totally want to write a ficlet entitled "A Detailed Do-It-Yourself Guide to BSDM." Yes, I do.
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Date: 2007-07-02 06:03 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-07-03 12:59 am (UTC)Privately, I pout when people criticize my fics -- for about 60 seconds, and then I try to see how I can improve based on what was said.
Unless the critiquer comments anonymously, and then I put it up on my LJ for everyone to see. : ) Thanks!
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Date: 2007-07-02 04:28 pm (UTC)I want you to know that you are one of my favorite writers in this fandom, hope that makes you feel a little better *hugs*
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Date: 2007-07-03 01:06 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-07-02 06:21 pm (UTC)That said, "anonymous" confused me because, when I was reading them, it didn't occur to me that the relationships portrayed were meant to be blueprints for how BDSM relationships in our world work. This is an
alternateALTERNATE Universe in which two equals having sex is kinky. Does anonymous believe that bondage is necessary during sex in order to avoid injury? Or perhaps that all professional interactions should be based primarily on the sexual orientation of those involved? (Actually, that was one of the hardest things for me to accept about this AU. My brain kept saying "you're at work. Save it for your personal time.")Anyway, as I look through your House fics, I just want to say "Keep those derivative stories coming." I love them.
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Date: 2007-07-03 01:11 am (UTC)Thanks!
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Date: 2007-07-02 06:27 pm (UTC)As
Dear 'anonymous': If you don't value your own opinion enough to sign your name to it, why should Dee or anyone else pay any attention to you? And if you think that Dee hasn't written anything original, you obviously haven't been reading her fic for very long. I would happily recommend a large number of them to you, but I suspect that you would think me biased because I am Dee's main beta.
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Date: 2007-07-03 01:15 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-07-02 07:46 pm (UTC)Uh...some anonymouse needs a chill-out pill. Or, sign his/her/its name. Really.
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Date: 2007-07-03 01:13 am (UTC)I do think Anonymous was having a bad day.
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Date: 2007-07-02 11:56 pm (UTC)http://karaokegal.livejournal.com/77744.html?thread=1243056#t1243056
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Date: 2007-07-03 01:19 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-07-03 02:00 am (UTC)WTF? House MD itself is derivative! R they crazy?
Date: 2007-07-03 03:13 am (UTC)All plots have been done before. ALL of them. I think there are something like 36 or 37 plots, and most writers have been mixing and matching those same plots for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.
Given the above, I really don't give a rip if a writer uses plot ideas from another writer's work, as long as they're not lifting the actual writing. It's never the same. I for one would never confuse House with Holmes or Wilson with Watson. Cameron, Chase and Foreman are certainly so glamorous that I'd never confuse them with the Baker Street Irregulars.
As for crossovers with another writer's universe, well pro fiction's been doing those for a while now, particularly television, and it's usually fun for all. I remember loving Homicide crossing over with Law and Order, and Homicide crossing over with The XFiles.
(goes off shaking head, and sticking out tongue at crazy critic)
House/Wilson Fan
PS: I think you could make a case for just about any of the characters being dom, depending on the sub, and vice-versa. And maybe the situation. But I'm fairly easy. I make no pretense of what I like being anything other than what pushes my buttons. I don't even always understand why it does. (Shrugs) Good writing can make the case, though, and I'm always open to that.
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Date: 2007-07-03 07:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-07-06 09:35 pm (UTC)Uh, as far as Keeper goes, that's not derivative at all, because it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with me. Beyond the use of Church, and the knowledge needed to use him, your work/ideas are your own. And, as you say, ain't all fanfiction derivative? And House is derivative of Holmes, and Holmes is derivative of....
There's nothing new under the sun, you anonymous moron.
Good for you for answering the questions posed. You're a fine woman, all adult and responsible-like. I'd be chewing and spitting nails.
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Date: 2007-07-07 11:33 pm (UTC)I have to say that in my interpretation/universe, yeah, anon does have one thing right, Cam is a sub who has spent her life being a dom and doesn't know how to cope with the thought that her identity isn't making her happy and she'd be happier as a different person. THAT BEING SAID, I deliberately made that vague enough that people could interpret it differently--which you did--based on what we know of Cameron from the show. Now, I still haven't seen any Season 3, so my interpretation is limited--srsly, I'm working on it. But I don't think your interpretation is wrong, and anyone who says it is because it differs from mine can take a flying leap.
I mean, if David Shore came down and told us all that House and Wilson weren't in love with each other, I don't think we'd believe him. Because OMG THEY ARE SO IN LOVE. ;)
Though I would point out one point during which Cam did sub to House in 'Directionless', when he orders her to get on her knees and her brain switches off. 'Cuz, y'know. House. He has the Voice.
Anyway, one of the reasons I'm glad you wrote that snippet is because I love the shared creative universe of fanfic, how we can learn not only from source but from each other. And I think that the Directed'verse (both the original SG:A stories and all their many and varied takeoffs) is a really powerful tool for stripping the power dynamics in these shows back to the bones, which lets us writers show each other exactly how we think the joints articulate, even if some of us are working with completely different skeletons in mind. (Wow, did that metaphor ever get overextended. Like a tendon!)
And, dude, derivative fiction is awesome.
So, uh, I noticed that in that sequence of "things I would never write" prompt fics you wrote one where all the House characters grew wings. Can I steal that scenelet for the basis of a 'fic? (Yes I am totally crazy. Stephen Colbert is going to show up at one point.)
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Date: 2007-07-07 11:57 pm (UTC)I forgot about the one scene where she goes to her knees; you're right (obviously). However, when Anon says "ALWAYS subed" I think she/he is thinking some of the dream/fantasy scenes are real.
Love the body metaphor, and totally agree with you. It's a very "thinky" universe (as you called it), and that's what's so awesome about it.
You're welcome to the wings scenelet in whatever fashion you'd like. Just the basics, or take the wing colors (Foreman with rainbow wings still cracks me up), or whatever. Just let me know when you've written because I definitely want to see!
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