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However, if it comes down to misguided fans vs. Wilson, then:





With thanks to [livejournal.com profile] jane_hidell
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Date: 2008-09-04 02:19 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2008-09-04 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
He is not perfect or by any means above reproach in all his actions. But it's with him that my loyalties lie!

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Date: 2008-09-04 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangomango.livejournal.com
*agrees with this*

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Date: 2008-09-04 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purridot.livejournal.com
*nod* He may sometimes be a bastard, but he's *our* bastard!

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Date: 2008-09-05 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] namasteyoga.livejournal.com
IAWTC. I tell you, I'm about to give up on some parts of fandom who vilify Wilson for the sin of being "selfish" for daring to try and save the life of someone he loves.

(I assume that these are the same people who, after watching/reading "Sophie's Choice" would say: "That Sophie. What a bitch!")
Edited Date: 2008-09-05 01:23 am (UTC)

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Date: 2008-09-05 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poeia.livejournal.com
I will usually be on House's side. But most of the time I can sympathize with why Wilson does what he does (except in "Meaning.")

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Date: 2008-09-05 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
I think most of the time, whether they know it or not, House and Wilson are on the same side (although they may be rancorously or snippily arguing there), so that works out fine. : )

"Meaning" and the whole "teaching House humility" plot... yeah, that was not Wilson's finest hour by any stretch of the imagination. I do think he was doing it for House's benefit, not his own, but it was so disastrously misguided. If I could have any plotline stricken from the canon, it'd be that one. They could've justified House stealing the prescription pad solely on Wilson not believing the pain was back to the degree House said it was, and in fact, House didn't even know about the deception when he stole the first prescription.

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Date: 2008-09-05 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Solidarity!

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Date: 2008-09-05 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Fans sometimes seem to think that because Wilson has done so much of the relationship work with House in the past, Wilson should continue doing so, give more, and not expect any return at all. What?

He's not a perfect person. As he admitted, he's dealt out crap to House at times. He knows he's been an enabler. But he deserves something for himself too.

Fans also sometimes seem to forget that we see House brooding, hurting, regretting his actions, but Wilson doesn't necessarily see that very often. He doesn't often see that vulnerability, which balances out the harsh things House can do.

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Date: 2008-09-05 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] namasteyoga.livejournal.com
There are also fans who think that House is justified in every action he does. I think House often has reasons for what he does, but he is also an ass. (And I love the character all the more for that, just as I love Wilson's flaws.)

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Date: 2008-09-05 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] savemoony.livejournal.com
HOUSE IS A JACKASS. I CONCUR.

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Date: 2008-09-05 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
I love it that House is a jackass, and I acknowledge that sometimes House is more right than Wilson is. Wilson is not perfect; he does dickish things from time to time.

Nonetheless, when it comes to fandom vs. Wilson, I am backing Wilson 100%. He is a complicated, flawed human being, but anyone who wants to twist that into him being evil (or House being perfect) best step off.

THUS SAYETH I.

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Date: 2008-09-05 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] savemoony.livejournal.com
Exactly! And this is what I love about you -- you can decode the meaning in my stupid remarks.

I also think that for so long "House was the mean one and Wilson was the nice one and omg how can they be friends" and now we are seeing just HOW compatible they really are.

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Date: 2008-09-05 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangomango.livejournal.com
*uses Wilson icon for the hell of it* I also think that people should remember that really, the only character that will ever truly be developed is House; the rest of them are foils. Such is life on a non-ensemble show.

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Date: 2008-09-06 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poeia.livejournal.com
Anyone who twists anything into House being perfect is demented. And that's coming from someone who adores him.

The only 3 characters on the show for whom I have considered evil, unredeemable, etc. were Vogler, Tritter and Foreman.

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Date: 2008-09-06 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackmare.livejournal.com
I LOVE MY WILSON. I also love House, and I have so much sympathy for both of them right now.

The only reason I'm aware of how many people are vilifying Wilson right now is because I've heard about it secondhand. I'm staying out of the fandom maelstrom.

Grief isn't rational. It's angry, it's messy, and it doesn't go away in a week. Fans who can't understand that are fans who've never been through it or witnessed it in real life.

I hate it that Wilson's blaming House for what happened. It wasn't House's fault, IMO, no matter the chain of coincidence, and he doesn't deserve what's being dished out. That does not, however, make Wilson a bastard. It makes a human being in the blindness of grief. I want to hug him.

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Date: 2008-09-06 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
I hate it that Wilson's blaming House for what happened.

I don't know if that's actually canon at this point (based on Season Four plus promos for Season Five). RSL has said "[House] killed [Wilson's] girlfriend, for Pete's sake," but to me that came across sarcastically. We'll have to see how things play out in Episode 1 to see if Wilson really is blaming House for Amber's death.

...he doesn't deserve what's being dished out.

Have you read the detailed Ep 1 and Ep 2 recaps that were posted on house_wilson? Unless there's something in there (I haven't read them and don't want to), I don't know what's being dished out to House now. ?? We'll see when the episodes air.

You're absolutely right about grief not being rational, being complex and messy. It'll be interesting to see the impact(s) it's had on Wilson, and to what extent it's touched House.

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Date: 2008-09-07 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
Posts like this make me worry about what's going on in the comms. What has Wilson done NOW?

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Date: 2008-09-07 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
HE DIDN'T STAY IN THE ICU AND HOLD HOUSE'S HAND AT THE END OF "WILSON'S HEART"! HE'S SO AWFUL!!!!

Ixtab from HHOW put it very, very well:

"It seems that some fans/writers truly believe that Wilson is a sociopath/psychopath plus the world's worst friend/doctor/human being to the point where some of the warnings say: "Just Wilson being Wilson" "Don't read if you can't accept the truth" "Not for people who think Wilson is perfect", etc, to me this has moved to insulting other fans.

The other thing that bothers me is what this type of fic does to House, not only is he DelicateFragileLittleFlowerHouse but also VictimizedAlwaysAbusedHouse in at least two occasions I thought House was so pathetic that Wilson should not bother really.

And one last thing, the idea that once BadFriendWilson is out of the way, everybody and their dogs will run to become House's BFF. All they need to do is tell House "You are perfect just the way you are" and "Wilson never understood what a fragile delicate unique flower you are but I do, and we are going to be happy for ever" and just like that Chase, Cuddy, Cameron, Foreman, Tabb, 13, Kutner, Brenda, Marco, OMCDoctor, OFCNurse, become House best friends, and House learns that he was always the BestFriendEver and Wilson just couldn't appreciate [him]. Rinse and repeat and that's the plot of most of these fics.End Rant."

That's a bit of an exaggeration but sadly not very much.

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Date: 2008-09-07 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
FFS HE WAS STILL UPSET. ISN'T HE ALLOWED TO BE UPSET? And I'm sure seeing House is overlaid with all kinds of could have / would have / should have. That has to hurt. A lot.

I honestly don't know how you can get that from canon. I mean, Wilson's not a saint, but he's put up with more from House than possibly humanly endurable. I love both of them, but Wilson is a far better friend than House has ever been. Or in other words - I'm with you.

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Date: 2008-09-07 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm kissing your feet right now. Some people's ability to put things in context is lacking, and then there you come and say such reasonable things and make me happy. *hugs*

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Date: 2008-09-07 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jdr1184.livejournal.com
I have a hard time reading dark!Wilson fics, because I can't be upset with the man for more than thirty seconds. I'm a little worried the Wilson haters are going to circle when the season begin, because he dares to be upset that Amber's dead. Ultimately, I think Wilson will start blaming himself. The idea that Amber would be alive if she hadn't loved him. She helped House because House is important to Wilson. She showed she was the better person and was willing to have House be part of their lives. I am so going to miss her, but if House isn't allowed to be happy than Wilson can't be either. She would have made him happy. I'm not sure I've seen that idea of Wilson blaming himself played around with any fic, but it would be interesting to read.

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Date: 2008-09-08 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turkfox.livejournal.com
Y'know, I had only seen one ep of House before this time last week *is mid-season 3 on a big week-long marathon*
And all I can think about is Wilson.

Even if I don't think about House in-depth, he's still not my favourite because I prefer Hugh Laurie as the foolish-posh-Englishman characters. So I think I already had that in my mind when I started watching it. Then I read some fics and it's like... poor misunderstood little House and evil Wilson? WTF?

I mean, I know this is a really crap comparison... but it's like saying "poor, misunderstood Voldemort and evil Harry Potter!" or something like that.

*sigh*

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Date: 2008-09-12 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viquetoriana.livejournal.com
...I think I love you. Okay, so I'm kind of randomly turning up here, but I'm going on a memming spree and finding all my favourite authors. And this was the first thing I saw when I found you. So... Yeah. Much love here. I think I'll icon that pic, there (too bad I've maxed out my icon quota XD). And I'm saving that rant from...HHOW? that you posted up there. I love finding things like this, just when I think all of Wilson's fans have disappeared. Phew! I wish I could bow out of mainstream fandom (have wished that all summer, in fact), but...I just can't. It's like watching a train wreck. It's horrible, but I just can't tear my eyes away. O.o

We all know Wilson's not perfect; no one is. But the only mistake he's made, as far as I can remember, that wasn't an honest mistake or a good-intentioned decision made in desperation that backfired on him--at worst--was that whole deal with the brain-damaged patient. And even that was A, done with partially good intentions; and B, a really endearing, IMO, show of weakness: jealousy. You know? I'm not thinking that really bad, selfish kind of jealousy, but the same kind of jealousy that wound up dissolving into the weary kind of resignation that made him think it'd be better if he went to jail instead of House. The kind you get when a man is brain damaged for ten years because of the disease you specialize in, and there's nothing you can do, even though you've tried everything, and then this other guy comes flying in on an I'm-all-powerful kind of high and finds the cure to it--a simple cortisone shot--in a matter of days. Ouch. XD I'd certainly be tempted to keep the fact that House was right from him, if I was in Wilson's position.

...You know, they're actually kind of Mary-Sue-ing House. Which, even when it's only a little bit, actually makes him less interesting, complex, and sympathetic, IMO. I just don't get it. Because Wilson's grieving, and he might be angry at House, and he took House up on his offer to do the DBS in a last-ditch, hesitant, desperate attempt to save the woman he loved, he's somehow irredeemably horrible and has been all along? And House shows he cares--still more to us in private than to Wilson, who's too upset to really register it anyway--for one or two eps and suddenly every misdeed is erased and he's a great, loving friend? I don't get it! XD

OMG. Sorry this comment's so long. I just tend to gush when I find one of the seemingly few remaining Wilson fans. :P

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Date: 2008-09-13 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debbiel66.livejournal.com
...lurking here, optimistically on the lookout for stories, but I wanted to say that I agree with you completely.

I'm a new fan (very new) and have had the experience of watching the entire series from season 1-4 over the summer. In addition to being thoroughly addicted (partially thanks to fan fiction like yours), I really, really can't see inherent evilness of any sort in Wilson. Darkness, maybe, but only in the sense that he's actually a complicated character with shadings between black and white. Isn't that the pleasure of an intelligent show, that characters are portrayed and written in a way that we don't know everything there is to know about them?

I like the way the scientist put it in "Frozen." Wilson might not be as nice as most people, besides House, think he is. A far cry from evil, but a lot more interesting, in my humble opinion.


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