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CAN'T STOP THINKING

OMG SHE'S OUTTA CONTROL!111LLL!!!

Heh. I can buy this scenario. I think it would be even more hurtful on both sides if Wilson didn't believe House. Maybe he tells House he's lying because ~~everybody lies~~ House never really liked Amber, and hey -- maybe he secretly wanted her to die because she was competition for House.

House might even buy into something like that (at least for a while) -- searching his subconscious to try and determine if he really let Amber die by not doing the absolute best job he could.

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That reminds me a lot of the scene in Honeymoon between House and Wilson in the bar. That House says a part of him wants Mark to die in order to be with Stacy (or make her suffer), but I think the former would apply to this situation, in that Wilson may believe House would want Amber to die in order to resume their full-time friendship.

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House doubting himself always makes for good television, too.

I am totally mesmerized by thinking about this. Next week can not come soon enough.

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I don't think they're having an affair, either, just because, as you said, that's so clearly the hand we are supposed to be watching.

I think maybe Amber told House a secret she was keeping from Wilson or vice versa and that's what Wilson has a hard time with. But I can't think what it would be.

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A secret of Amber's could definitely be it.

As to what it could be, perhaps: THAT AMBER WORKS AT A HOME FOR GAY ORPHAN PUPPIES AND HAS BEEN SECRETLY ATTENDING NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS MEETINGS WITH HOUSE TO TRY TO HELP HIM BECOME CLEAN FOR WILSON'S SAKE, WHILE ALSO SECRETLY PLANNING HOUSE AND WILSON'S WEDDING AND GESTATING A CHILD FOR THEM TO RAISE TOGETHER.

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YES

THIS

!!!!!!!!

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I think in that case House might have done the Amber-killing himself (assuming Mr. Shore's genius fanfic didn't tell the truth about House causing the accident in the first place and cleverly blaming the driver! In which case he would have done the killing actually. That would be interesting....) If only for the puppies, the drug-intervention, the foisted-upon spawn and the overabundance of fluff ^_~
He probably would get away with it too for the sake of humanity. I'd personally be rooting for him for sure!

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House was not on the bus at all! He was driving the garbage truck! Makes much more sense.

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He was driving the garbage truck!

He probably won it in an non-legit poker game in the back-room of the bar or of the strip-club earlier!

And the House on the bus was either not existent anywhere but in his mind. Or a clone from one of House's little side-projects to get the Nobel-committee to notice him in favour of TB-doc: also a water-proof alibi. After all he couldn't be in two places at the same time, couldn't he? Even super-power!Tritter would be stumped by that one!

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Ooh ooh now you've got me going. What if House really HAS seen Amber naked but for medical, not sexual reasons? What if he was treating her for a condition she was hiding from Wilson and asked him to keep quiet about and House is all "doctor-patient confidentiality" and Wilson is like "but you're my FRIEND and she's DYING" and blames House for complications from the crash because of it

or what if she's House's SISTER and needs some kind of translplant thing that he is the nearest match for but it would be risky for him to undergo the surgery because he's just been in a crash and she's dying and Wilson has to choose between his friend and his girlfriend!!!!

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House's DAUGHTER! Did you see the half-nekkid scene where they emphasized how old House is? They also de-aged Anne Dudek from 33, which she actually is, to "late twenties."

DAUGHTER!!!! And then House is mad because Wilson protects House, Amber dies, and now Wilson has kept him from saving his DAUGHTER.

Fake!Amber was Amber's mom when House porked her!!!!!

ZOMG WE HAVE TO RUN THIS IDEA BY MR. SHORE

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YES

YES YES YES!!

WE ARE GENIUSES DEE

I AM GOING TO BE SO DISAPPOINTED NOW IF IT TURNS OUT THEY WERE JUST HAVING AN AFFAIR

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I can see maybe a rift between Hosue and Wilson if House tries to save Amber but is. unable. House does the unthinkable and that makes him mighty but if he can't save Amber then Wilson will wonder if it was retribution, jealousy or just lack of care.

I hope this rift doesn't completly change the H/W dynamic.

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I guess it's my personal take on the character, but if House tries and doesn't do anything malicious, I don't see Wilson blaming him long-term. Maybe in the heat of the moment, but once Wilson calms down, he'd realize how hard House tried to remember. Hypnosis, hallucinations, giving himself a heart attack, and brain surgery.

I said before that if House and Wilson don't retain their deep connection, I'll be very, very disappointed. But if Tritter didn't do it, could anything?

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But if Tritter didn't do it, could anything?

I would think perhaps some sort of storyline about Wilson's long-lost brother might do it (although I'd have to think about what that might be).

This assumes, of course, that Wilson still has a long-lost brother, so that might be right out.

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Thank you for thinking about this so I don't have to. It's deeply appreciated.

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But it's fun to think about. (While ignoring other priorities in one's life, unfortunately.)

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hannahrorlove.livejournal.com

Fun, yes, but time-consuming, and all my energy going towards wild theories is examining Satan/God from Paradise Lost. Can't be helped.

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... and all my energy going towards wild theories is examining Satan/God from Paradise Lost.

I read that as Satan/God slash, which is interesting in and of itself. I rather imagine God would always want to top.

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Have you read the Housefic Isaiah 14:12 (http://moiraithanatoio.livejournal.com/23827.html)?

Edited Date: 2008-05-14 12:48 am (UTC)

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*nods*

I have read that. I liked it a lot -- I thought it was really well done and very imaginative.

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"Interesting" is NOT the word to describe that notion.

BUT...God would most definitely be on top!
He tops everything!

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It is, more or less: I have to argue about the strong homosocial bond between the two of them. Which...is kind of right there in the text, really.

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I CAN'T STOP THINKING EITHER. OR FLAILING. EACH ONE COMES IN WAVES.

I don't think House and Amber had sex either. Not only do promos twist plots (but, oh, they are awesome in their own way), but there are visual cues that would suggest that scene in his office is something visualized in House's head. The white board looks the same as when he was writing on it at another point in the promo, and her outfit seems to be a dead giveaway. I still think House cares about her, maybe actually has deeper feelings for her, and I suspect that, with the state Wilson will be in, he may not believe House if he claims nothing happened, even though it might be the truth.

Not sure I buy your theory, that it would put their friendship on the line, because I don't know if he would have anything that bad to say about Amber that Wilson wouldn't already know. I think if he had something to say, he would say it, because he is a compulsive truth-teller.

I think House is screwed either way here, because if Wilson actually asks him to risk his life to save Amber's, either of his answers could make Wilson react badly. If he says yes, Wilson might reason that he's doing it because he actually does have feelings for Amber and something happened between them. If he says no, Wilson might think he doesn't care about him and doesn't care if he suffers should Amber die. It seems like it's a bad situation.

BUT I AM EXCITED JSDKA;FJKA;FJDKA;FHURTHG I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.

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I don't know if he would have anything that bad to say about Amber that Wilson wouldn't already know. I think if he had something to say, he would say it, because he is a compulsive truth-teller.

Absolutely he'd say it, and Wilson would hate him for it if he said it after Amber was gone. If the speculation was ture, then House would've found the thing out during his period of amnesia, either in the bar or just before he left for the bar. Possibilities: undisclosed STD, Amber cheating on Wilson, Amber about to have/already having had an abortion, Amber having a drinking problem (what was she doing in the bar when on call?), Amber having originally started dating Wilson to get back at House and only later having fallen for Wilson...

I CAN'T WAIT, EITHER. Whatever ends up happening, it's going to be GOOD.

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It's going to be so good. All the speculation and everyone's ideas is making me even MORE excited. So excited. I've never been this excited for anything like this--tv show, movie, anything--ever. *bounces* This is the meaty stuff in episodes that I've been missing and have been longing for all season.

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if Wilson actually asks him to risk his life to save Amber's

Of course that could also make House wonder just how low his life now rates with Wilson - now that he's in the everything's wonderful-stage of a relatively new relationship - if Wilson makes such a demand of him....

Haven't seen the preview though due to being dependent on DLs, but they seem to be generally misleading.

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House risks his life all the time! Over patients and puzzles and stupid shit like "proving" there's no afterlife. Why shouldn't Wilson expect him to risk it for Amber?

I can't see House finding such a request insulting or out of line.

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I think that House will risk his life for Amber, and it will come down to Wilson having to decide between them. And we all know who he will pick. :) That could cause a rift in the friendship. Wilson feeling guilty, and House not appreciating what Wilson did, or even angry that he made that decision. What do you all think?

Great discussion by the way. I'm loving it. :)

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That makes a lot of sense. A lot of sense. Absolutely in line with both their characters.

OK, that's going to be my assumption until the episode actually airs.

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That is an awesome theory, I must say. =)

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It's one thing to do something yourself, out of your own motives (however weird or whimsical they might be at times), when it's your own decision - and quite another to be asked to do it, if someone else expects you to.

We've been shown House in canon been hurt by comments about him that he himself also made about his own person or apparently believes of himself!
By your argument conversely he shouldn't/couldn't be - after all it's his own believes just thrown back at him by someone else....
If you view yourself as a deeply selfish, completely irredeemable asshole why be hurt when someone you like and trust (because those people are the ones that count, not random strangers) tells you s/he genuinely believes the same of you?! But people usually are in such situations.
The sentiments are the same, but the source is what makes the difference in perception and possibility to wound emotionally. That was what I was pointing to.

I don't think House'd "find it insulting" (why should he? It isn't an insult) or even "out of line".

I do believe that there's a possibility - not a surety, by no means! - that House might be hurt by such a request from Wilson. Regardless of his own previous intention to do exactly what Wilson wants. Because it would be a hint or even confirmation that yes, now Amber is more important to Wilson: that in Wilson's heart House's life (perhaps because he's seen House willing to gamble it so often?) might be an acceptable "pay-off" for Amber's well-being if he had to choose.

I don't think House would protest loudly or confront Wilson even if he was deeply hurt, actually. We might get one of those looks HL does so masterfully, nothing more. And then he'd go on to do what he must, no matter the cost. As he's done so often before....

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Some of the things that would affect other friendships wouldn't affect theirs so deeply. For example, if House tried to save Amber and couldn't, Wilson would grieve, of course, but I can't see him blaming House.

I have to watch they promo again. But I remember thinking that when Wilson said 'Yes' that he wanted House to risk his own life, it seemed angry, almost accusatory. So I can't shake the feeling that Wilson is, at some point in the episode, blaming House for Amber's condition.

ETA: Okay. I'm on crack. I just watched the promo again. Wilson doesn't actually say anything. It's just the expression on his face that made me think this.

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I have such a headache from all this! I thought about it on my 30 minute drive home. What I can't get is the fact House=Amber. She is his proxy, she is what Wilson wants and loves. We've been told this over and over so it has to be important. Whatever happens to Amber happens to House. She was on the bus, she has a head injury, she has a leg injury, she has no memeory (or at least is unable to speak up) of what happened. We're suppose to see them as the same. In the promos Amber looks - almost brain dead - vacant, there is something wrong with her reactions. How does this relate to House? Can he make the correct choices? What are those choices? I can't come up with anything but questions. I suck.

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Perhaps we only see them as the same while House is struggling to connect associations to jog his own memory. He KNOWS how important the patient is, but not why. All these resemblances help him to recall, but they might not be her real injuries. I mean, according to the jane doe report she didn't even injure her leg, did she? No bandages in the promos either, I don't think. She had kidney problems and something else we likely don't know about yet, something from before the crash. Amber and House are the same in enough ways that House could find her in his memory by drawing parallels to his own condition. Every single person he looked at on that bus had a head injury, didn't they?

So much of this episode was hallucination and not memory; hard to tell which is which anymore. I tend to figure it is all merely symbolic and just the artistic creative way House's head works.

When I saw House drinking wine at the bar during his hypnosis, I thought that was SO not him, must have been what Amber was drinking- that she was there with him. Maybe they were having a drink and forming some peaceful alliance, or House was finally having it out with her for telling his secret that he told Wilson. House never scolds Wilson for being a dick to him, but he scolds everyone else.I could not begin to figure out why they might meet, but my guess is it is not for something terribly dramatic. The writers do have to be careful not to do much more than flirt with soap style writing. They wade, but can't swim. The main fan base for the show is still rooting for the medical stuff, the formulaic drama approach. Too over-the-top might not be good for the overall health of the show.
I don't have the promo in front of me to correct myself if I am recalling it wrong. Mostly just thinking out loud here, but I really think all of Amber's stuff we saw in THIS episode was actually House, and just something to trigger his awareness that he knew something was wrong with Amber BEFORE the crash.

So anyway, I would THINK the promos are more dramatic than the reality, as they always are. The epi will be dramatic, well acted, touching, all kinds of good stuff, but the "General Hospital" type stuff seems unlikely to me. House, the character, is more off the wall than House, the show.

Or maybe the writers all got drunk, whipped out their laptops and said WTF let's go all out. I'm devoted, I will adore whatever they do.

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This is not my idea but my husband speculates that Amber is a high priced escort. That she did this in college and enjoyes it so still does it. She takes the bus so her car isn't parked anywhere near her clients houses and House knows about this because he sometimes uses the service. He said the Bus Amber made him think this because he felt she was dressed the way a high prices escort would be especially since House mentions the price of her shoes.

I will say I like the whole daughter related to House story line the best. You are so funny. :D

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WTF House drinking champagne?

People drink champagne for one reason only: to celebrate.

Is House celebrating something? Or is he merely attending a celebratory event? And if so, what?

Wilson's revelation that he's proposed to Amber? Hmmmm?

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SHUT UP EVERYONE! MY BRAIN HURTS AND NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY, I CAN'T MAKE MONDAY COME ANY QUICKER! *flails*

BTW---I loved the Amber as daughter theory and the God/Satan slash convo. hee!

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When is House seen drinking champagne??

I don't think House asks Wilson if he should risk his life to save Amber's. That is promo monkey manipulative editing. I think he asks Cuddy. Cuddy is torn between her feelings for House and carrying Wilson's grief. I think she is the one who talks to House.

And as for "risking his life" I didn't think he meant death, I think he meant his life. I think he is worried about losing his brain function from that surgery Chase ends up doing on him. Remember in No Reason when he yells at Cuddy, "What do I have? What do I have, I have my brain!" The surgery does not necessarily have to be life threatening to be a real concern for House.

My guess for the big test of friendship is that House fails to solve Amber's case. He has failed before , hell, Wilson wishes he was humbled occassionally, but failing Wilson is too much. It's something that can be repaired in time, in season five, but can really mess them up for awhile. And House IS damaged from the surgery. I am betting the cliffhanger will be if he recovers completely. I am only guessing that because we were spoiled that the doctors all wonder if they will still have jobs.

Dunno, just thinking...

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When is House seen drinking champagne??

At the end of his bar memory. At first he's drinking Beer brand beer, but at the end he raises a flute of champagne.

Good thought about Cuddy being the one to ask House.

And if House is injured, then the publicity monkeys have for once done their jobs by getting everyone to focus on the House-Wilson relationship and hiding that bit, which would be awesome. I love it when they effectively misdirect and keep some things as surprises.

Kudos to the producers, and everyone else invovled, for giving the fans something to talk aobut and get excited for. I haven't had this high a level of anticipation for a TV show in a long time.

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MY BRAIN HURTS

It's just occurred to me that maybe House gets some sort of brain damage from the op (not so that he turns into a vegetable, but e.g. losing some faculty or other (going blind would be suitably angsty but it doesn't have to be anything that bad) because having a seizure when somebody is poking your brain with sharp metal implements isn't the best thing to do) and therefore Wilson feels doubly guilty, both for asking House to risk his life and for causing House more problems. And House is angry with Wilson because it's ALL HIS FAULT. And Wilson feels even worse because House being angry at him makes him (Wilson) all upset.

Clearly the road trip needs to last the whole of season five in order to accommodate everyone's theories.

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Clearly the road trip needs to last the whole of season five in order to accommodate everyone's theories.

I think that's a brilliant idea -- House and Wilson, driving from town to town, having all kinds of angsty, slapstick adventures. It would get them out of PPTH and provide room for tons of guest stars that Fox could promote the hell out of. Heh!

And I was thinking also that maybe House goes temporarily blind or deaf or something, since the show seems to be heading in the direction of fanfic anyway. ;-)

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