An analogy between two fandoms

[deelaundry]

So, bammel posed an excellent, thought-provoking question (and spoggly posted it), that I will paraphrase here:

"How can people be so rabid and uptight in their desire for two fictional middle-aged, emotionally stunted men to have a sexual relationship?"

In considering this, I suddenly realized what House/Wilson shipping often reminds me of: Mulder/Scully shipping from the early years of The X-Files.

You had Mulder/Scully shippers who saw eros in Mulder and Scully's intense, dedicated relationship, despite the repeated insistence of producers that what they had was a professional partnership and friendship.

You had other fans (NoRoMos) who were scornful of the shippers, and expressed an attitude something like: "Why can't people just be close as friends without you crazy idiots bringing sex into everything. They are still topmost in each others' lives without sex. STOP TALKING about Mulder and Scully going to bed together because it will never happen."

And then Scully had Mulder's baby and they rode off into the sunset with each other.

I'm just saying.

(PS for LID: Mulder/Krycek = House/Cuddy. Oh yeah, it does!)

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[inlaterdays.livejournal.com]

FGKAGFKJHLAJSJHA

DEE

DEE

YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE MY HEAD EXPLODE

X-FILES SLASH EXISTS TOO

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

I KNOW, BB! I WAS ALL ABOUT THE MULDER/KRYCEK. BUT THIS ANALOGY WAS FOR THE HOUSE/WILSON COMPARISON.

IF I TOOK IT FURTHER MULDER/KRYCEK WOULD BE HOUSE/CUDDY. SIZZLING POPPIN' SEXUAL ENERGY IN ALMOST EVERY SCENE, PLUS THEY TOTALLY DID IT AT LEAST ONCE FOR REALS.

[inlaterdays.livejournal.com]

LOL ILU.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I GET USED TO FANS ON SOME MESSAGEBOARDS THINKING SHIPPER OR NOROMO ARE THE ONLY TWO CATEGORIES OF FANS; I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK.

AND THAT IS AN EXCELLENT ANALOGY.

[leaper182.livejournal.com]

... Scully had Mulder's baby?

I almost typed "Mulder had Scully's baby?" omg.

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

If I've interpreted it correctly, you are on the "STFU everyone, because I'm too busy doing HL (DD) in my head" side.

Do you watch The X-Files? Do you have opinions on the direction and cinematography of the different episodes? 'Cause, man, I'd sign up for that newsletter.

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

What's Mulder/Skinner? I keep thinking it's House/Cameron but THAT CANNOT BE TRUE.

[inlaterdays.livejournal.com]

In some ways Mulder/Skinner is like House/Cuddy, I think, because of the boss thing.

And in some ways M/K is like House/Cameron because of the starting-out-with-hero-worship thing?

(moved cos I replied in the wrong place)

Edit again: but \O/ !! to your p.s. :)

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

SPOILER! Yep, Scully had "Baby William" and both she and Mulder said Mulder was the father. Of course, this being The X-Files, there are some skeptics as to whether Mulder is genetically related (or it's some kind of medical experiment), but he's certainly considered the father.

http://x-files.wikia.com/wiki/Baby_William

[hibernia1.livejournal.com]

*grins happily & brightly*
Apart from the fact Wilson can't physically have House's baby (they can keep trying, though *leers*), this makes perfect sense!

[leaper182.livejournal.com]

:O

That just...

:O

However, this *does* give me hope for House/Wilson being canon.

I mean, fuck, I've heard a friend's father consider House/Wilson canon.

[spoggly.livejournal.com]

AHAHA YOU ARE A SPEAKER OF TRUTHS

Oh, Mulder/Scully - the UST, the drama, the banter. On the one hand I want them to be together forever and have the most sex possible, on the other I want them to be in a fucked-up and platonic relationship eternally (though the UST can stay, that's A+).

(LOL, AS YOU SAY, I WONDER WHAT ATTRACTED ME TO H/W LO THESE MANY YEARS LATER)

[inlaterdays.livejournal.com]

Frank Spotnitz and Chris Carter confirmed it at the NY ComiCon in April this year:

The two also revealed that yes, Mulder is the father of Scully's baby

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/x-files-2-nycc-panel-4475

But I'm still in denial about S8&9, more or less. ;)

[bammel.livejournal.com]

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I PUT THAT (originally indelicate) QUESTION OUT THERE WITH ALL THE LOVE IN THE WORLD FOR THE GOOD SHIP EVERYBODY/EVERYBODY/NOBODY, ETC.

[spoggly.livejournal.com]

INORITE WE BOTH LOVE EVERYBODY AHA

[toolazytowork.livejournal.com]

OMG! YR ICON! THAT PICTURE! OH THAT PICTURE WAS SO....SO...pardon me, I must go into a coma remembering the hot that was that photo shoot.

I'm usually slightly more articulate.

[spoggly.livejournal.com]

AHAHAHA INORITE

(It's okay, I'm usually not, so no judging.)

[calamitysxchild.livejournal.com]

!!!

I LOVE THE X-FILES!!

AND HOUSE!

this is probably one of the best posts ever.

[hwshipper.livejournal.com]

This really takes me back... I had/have absolutely zero interest in government conspiracies or aliens, but I ADORED the X-Files because I was a rabid Mulder/Scully shipper. And that was before I any idea that fandoms existed.

Course then TPTB ruined it :(

[xaipw.livejournal.com]

And then Scully had Mulder's baby and they rode off into the sunset with each other.

So...I know you're making a comparison to H/W here but my initial response was:

OMG! YES! THERE IS HOPE FOR JOHN AND RODNEY AFTER ALL!


I wasn't aware of this "Baby William" business. I think that the show had become to painful for me to watch by that point.

Mulder/Krycek :TBD slobber emoticon:

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

I thought you were all about the John/Ronon :eyebrow lift:

Yeah, the show did get pretty painful there in the last few seasons. I'm hearing good things about the new movie, though.

Mulder/Krycek = total :slobber: They had so much energy between them. I swear to God, in a few of the episodes I expected them to start making out at any second.

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

TYVM

Nick Lea (Krycek) should be patient of the week some time. Yum!

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

I actually went back and forth between shipping and NoRoMo for it, but ended up on the side of shipping. If you're going to give your devotion (as well as your time and mental energy) to someone, why not get orgasms out of the deal, too? Of course, I also thought Mulder/Krycek was extraordinarily hot. The UST on the screen for them was sizzling.

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

It was an awesome question. A+

I love thinking about it, because there's such a thing as taking a 'ship (any 'ship) way too seriously, but then again, some people seem to feel that genuine pleasure and interest in a 'ship (or a series, a character, or a hobby) is somehow unacceptable. My favorite people in fandom are those that can strike a balance: genuinely enjoy things and think seriously about them but also have a good time.

[xaipw.livejournal.com]

I thought you were all about the John/Ronon :eyebrow lift:

I AM. THEIR LOVE IS SO TRUE. BUT THEY WOULD NEVER SETTLE DOWN TOGETHER.

John and Rodney might.

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

Exactamundo.

Also, Scully is hot. I don't think I ever got over that promo pic of her in bed with David Duchovny and Chris Carter. *slobber*

[deelaundry.livejournal.com]

Although... before she got pregnant, Scully had been medically proven to be barren! So maybe there's hope out there?

(Hee, hee.)

[spoggly.livejournal.com]

OMGGGGGG INORITE. Or basically any picture where she and David are hamming it up. Or really any picture with her in it, ahaha. Ah, some of my first fannish crushes, lol.

[bammel.livejournal.com]

AAHa, I'm just glad you don't wanna knock my head off for lulzing rudely.

Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head -- it's really important to have a sense of perspective about it! I do love fandom and all its craziness, but sometimes I get a little frightened when the biz gets too srs.

P.S. Mulder/Scully 4evz, ok.

[hannahrorlove.livejournal.com]

My guess is that people think it'd be hot.

Okay, how many times has fandom written some cross of House and Wilson's genetic matter at this point? It's only a matter of time, really.

[pinglederry.livejournal.com]

*drops something* She did what picture? Where is this??

[ceruleanshipper.livejournal.com]

This. Totally. Works. (Yeah, I'm late to the party. Again.)

A military brat turned medical scientist with insane blue eyes and the WASPiest Jew evar. (What's WASPier: Sweater vests or growing up on Martha's Vineyard? I'm not sure.)

Furthermore, is it just me or did Gillian Anderson and Hugh Laurie exchange careers sometime between 2002 and 2004? At least the "Star of Fox's top-rated drama" and "Doing costume dramas and comedies with Stephen Fry*" bits. (No word on the novel-writing, appearing in Annie Lennox-videos, Armani-print-ads bits).

An added bonus: David Duchovny went to Princeton.


*Tristram Shandy