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Dee Laundry ([personal profile] deelaundry) wrote2007-07-01 11:07 pm
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HELLO, ANONYMOUS!  I am happy with criticism but would prefer dialogue, so if you'd identify yourself that'd be great!  (PS. Don't read "Leave in Quiet" because you really won't like that one.)

This doesn't work one bit, you really don't seem to have a clue on how BDSM relationships work in RL or this AU. The point of Cameron in aris_writing's AU is that Cameron is a sub pretending to be a dom & House is the dom-est dom around. No way would House ever behave like this or Cameron for that matter, because she's ALWAYS subed to him. Even if you're not using that AU but a straight BDSM, House can't defend any claim against Wilson if he's uncollared without Wilson's public acknowledgement, which is missing here - Wilson must have given Cameron consent for her actions - she can't touch without a sub's consent, and there's no way he would have if House had a prior claim. And there's no way House would have made a claim against Cameron unless he were authorized to do so - no dom would ever behave like that, least of all someone with the kind of self-control & lack of fear House has. To suggest House would be afraid of Cameron is completely ludicrous.

Do you actually write anything original? It seems that the last half dozen things you've written have all been derivative off of other people's work.

Some points to kick us off:
- I don't claim to know how BDSM relationships work in real life - only what I've gleaned from the Internet.  I make absolutely no claim that this fic, or any other of mine, represents real-life BDSM relationships.
- I've read Aris' fics and the ones she linked back to; that's my knowledge of how the AU works.
- Also, I asked Aris' permission before I posted this fic anywhere, and she granted it.
- I totally disagree with you on the point of Cameron in Aris' fics.  To me, the point of Cameron is that she is a top who is completely confused by her sub-like reaction to House.  She tries subbing to others but can't stand it, so I heartily disagree that she is a "sub pretending to be a dom."
- Cameron has never subed to House in Aris' fics.  Never.  She's only imagined doing so.

- House behaves the way that he does in my fic because he is trying to get Cameron away from Wilson without revealing that he and Wilson have a relationship.  If you'll recall in the last of Aris' fics, House had told Wilson he'd sleep with him only if Wilson lied about it.  House in the AU does not want a conventional dom/sub relationship; as you said, he's the dom-est of the dom, and he's told Wilson he doesn't want Wilson doing any of those sub-y things.  I hypothesize (and this is my interpretation) that House secretly wants such a relationship with Wilson but is not willing to admit it.  Also, if he were to collar Wilson, it would compromise their working relationship, wouldn't it?  Wilson would have to do what House said, instead of being a foil and relative equal for him at the hospital.  Wilson has already complained that he gets less respect professionally because he's a sub - if he was collared to House, wouldn't people defer to House instead of him?
- As to why Wilson would give Cameron consent for her actions - because House told him he had to hide his relationship with House.  (And maybe to make House jealous.)
- House is not afraid of Cameron in general, but he's afraid of the secret relationship getting out... and he doesn't want Wilson to know how he truly feels.

Do you actually write anything original? It seems that the last half dozen things you've written have all been derivative off of other people's work.

Well, the last half dozen things I wrote were sections of a fic that crosses over with [profile] simple__man's Churchverse, so yes, I suppose you could say those all were derivative.

And, now that you point it out, almost everything I've written has been derivative, seeing as how it's fanfic.  What do you think I should write instead?

[identity profile] savemoony.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
Do you need me to choke a bitch for you, honey?

[identity profile] hry2007.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Somebody has a stick up their ass.

Interpret Cameron however the fuck you please. The writers for House do.
ext_2314: (moby play)

[identity profile] thedeadparrot.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
GOD, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STEP UP TO THE BIG LEAGUES, DEE? I, A FANFIC WRITER, HATE IT WHEN I SEE PEOPLE WHO WALLOW IN FANFIC FANFIC AND CAN'T SEEM TO WRITE SOMETHING ORIGINAL LIKE PROPER FANFIC. THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT BEING DERIVATIVE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK.

[identity profile] blackmare.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
You know, there seems lately to be a plague of Anonymous "critiques" going 'round.

All I really have to say about it -- and I do hope your Anonymous is reading -- is that my own policy is as follows:

If I'm not brave enough to sign my name to my words, I have no business posting them.

To post disparaging remarks under the mask of anonymity is, in my opinion, a mark of cowardice.

[identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, SOMEone took their b*tchy pills this morning. Grr.

Even professional writers do "shared universe" stories, or "stories based in the world created by [other writer]" books. It doesn't mean the stuff you write isn't original.

Methinks yon anonymous "critic" is jealous of your writing.

[identity profile] vitawash24.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Something about that makes me want to start shrieking "GET A LIFE!" William Shatner-style.

[identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
YES AND WHILE WE ARE AT IT ALL THESE POPULAR JANE AUSTEN SEQUELS BEING PUBLISHED NOW SIMPLY MUST STOP

I MEAN REALLY

AND TV ADAPTATIONS OF CLASSIC LITERATURE AS WELL

FROM NOW ON ONLY "WHAT I HAD FOR BREAKFAST THIS MORNING" FICS WILL BE DEEMED ORIGINAL, AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE HAD THE SAME THING

[identity profile] petrichor-fizz.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Do not even know where to start. Wow.

[identity profile] asynca.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
*blink*

What the hell is she on about? There's a WHOLE variety of 'correct' ways to run a BDSM relationship. In fact, the whole point is that it's NEGOTIATED between the parties - which technically means there are infinite ways it could be conducted.

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I wrote up a few points of discussion, and now I feel fine, thanks. If you could add more hours to the day so I could work on Keeper, that'd be great.

[identity profile] savemoony.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
I can't do that, but I can try to talk to God and see what he can do.

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
In fact, one of my favorite things about Aris' AU is that it gives a reasonable explanation as to why Cameron's character seems to swing all over the place sometimes.

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
I WALLOW IN SHAME AT THE RIGHTNESS OF YOUR CRITIQUE. PARTICULARLY BECAUSE I WAS SO FOUL AS TO COMPLETELY RE-WRITE ONE OF YOUR WORKS. FOR NEXT YEAR'S REMIX I WILL ENDEAVOR TO BE MORE ORIGINAL.

I WOULD ASK YOU TO SPANK ME FOR THIS BUT I HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW BDSM ENCOUNTERS WORK AND WOULD PROBABLY BRING YOU MORE DISTRESS.

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
OH, WOE, I COULD NEVER WRITE SUCH A FIC AS MR. LAUNDRY AND I HAVE THE SAME BREAKFAST EVERY DAY.

PS. LOL CELERY

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you, Mare. I think as you do that each person should own up to his or her words. That's why I leave up every comment I receive on a fic, positive or negative - I take responsibility for the fic and accept that others will express opinions about it.

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Aren't you sweet? Actually, I would've been less surprised by an accusation in the other direction, a la "WTF? Why do you write such kooky stuff? Why don't you ever write reasonable things that fit with canon?" LOL

PS. Pretty picture!

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Hee - my husband and I were talking about that clip the other day. "What is wrong with you people?!?" - hee hee.

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
Your icon says a lot! Thanks.
ext_63693: sheppard loves ronon (1941)

[identity profile] xaipw.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Who the hell was that cooze. I'd like to volunteer my bitchslap services if she bothers you again. I'm no expert on BDSM relationships, but I do know that (like Asynca pointed out) there are many different interpretations.
You should post this on TBD. The reactions would be amusing.

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm wondering if she (he?) missed the fourth of Aris' fics in which House said he'd start a sexual relationship with Wilson but only if Wilson never talked about it.

I edited the top of my post to remind Anonymous not to read "Leave in Quiet" because I REALLY smashed "typical" BDSM principles (as I understand them) in that one.
ext_63693: sheppard loves ronon (slash happens)

[identity profile] xaipw.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
OMG that is the best icon ever. I don't have enough Wilson icons.

[identity profile] naughtybookworm.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, the flame! It burns! It burns!

Just ignore, Dee.

Geez, whatever happened to just moving on to the next story when you don't like what you're reading? There's plenty of fanfic out there; something for everyone!

[identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Good suggestion - the TBD posting, I mean. Done. It may be tl;dr for them, but hey.

Love your icon!

[identity profile] asynca.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
Damnit, Dee! Why must you add fics to my reclist? Isn't 113 ENOUGH FICS THAT NEED TO BE READ?!

*sulk*

Everyone needs to STOP WRITING GOOD STORIES for a few months so I can catch up!

[identity profile] fallen-arazil.livejournal.com 2007-07-02 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Gah. I hate people who think they are the be-all-end-all of knowledge on a particular subject. I mean, I myself have been known to pontificate about certain things, but a fic doesn't agree with my personal understanding of things, I usually either view it as AU or, if it's severe enough to impair my enjoyment, y'know--DON'T READ THE FIC.

Anyway, I find it odd to say that your representation of BDSM relationships is inaccurate when the person clearly doesn't seem bothered by the fact that the characters probably aren't tying each other up and having gay sex on the show. Wouldn't that be a far more glaring oversight? Oh wait, that's right! This is fanfic which is always going to be inherently AU to a degree, is about fictional people in fictional relationships doing fictional things.

Or, to summarize: Does this person understand that the fic was not entitled 'A Detailed Do-It-Yourself Guide to BDSM'? Bitch, don't you be messing with mah wife! *puts up dukes*

~Djinn
[who is far more confrontational when people get pompous, yes I mean you, anonymous person]

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